diff --git a/Cargo.toml b/Cargo.toml
index 4b77d15..e6a4fd3 100644
--- a/Cargo.toml
+++ b/Cargo.toml
@@ -24,5 +24,3 @@ bincode = { version = "2.0.0-rc.3", default-features = false, features = [
 simple_logger = "5.0.0"
 rp2040-hal = "0.10.2"
 rp2040-pac = "0.6.0"
-serde = { version = "1.0.216", features = ["derive"] }
-serde_json = "1.0.133"
diff --git a/builds/ground/Cargo.toml b/builds/ground/Cargo.toml
index 06ffe89..39ea533 100644
--- a/builds/ground/Cargo.toml
+++ b/builds/ground/Cargo.toml
@@ -5,11 +5,9 @@ edition = "2021"
 
 [dependencies]
 rfe.path = "../../rfe"
-rfe.features = ["std", "serde"]
+rfe.features = ["std", "reflect"]
 anyhow.workspace = true
 simple_logger = "5.0.0"
 log.workspace = true
-serde_json.workspace = true
-serde.workspace = true
 egui = "0.30.0"
 eframe = "0.30.0"
diff --git a/rfe/Cargo.toml b/rfe/Cargo.toml
index 2efbc78..a9e339e 100644
--- a/rfe/Cargo.toml
+++ b/rfe/Cargo.toml
@@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ edition = "2021"
 default = []
 std = ["dep:mio"]
 rp2040 = ["dep:rp2040-hal", "dep:rp2040-pac"]
-serde = ["dep:serde"]
+reflect = []
 
 [dependencies]
 bincode.workspace = true
@@ -18,4 +18,3 @@ mio = { version = "1.0.2", features = ["net", "os-poll"], optional = true }
 rp2040-hal = { workspace = true, optional = true }
 rp2040-pac = { workspace = true, optional = true }
 macros.path = "macros"
-serde = { workspace = true, optional = true }
diff --git a/rfe/macros/src/macros.rs b/rfe/macros/src/macros.rs
index 7fdcdb2..9724487 100644
--- a/rfe/macros/src/macros.rs
+++ b/rfe/macros/src/macros.rs
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ pub fn kind_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
 
     let expanded = quote! {
         #[derive(Debug, Default, Copy, Clone, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-        #[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+        #[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
         pub enum #kind_name {
             #[default]
             #(#kind_enum_arms)*
@@ -103,161 +103,6 @@ pub fn kind_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
     TokenStream::from(expanded)
 }
 
-#[proc_macro_derive(ToCsv)]
-pub fn to_csv_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
-    let input = parse_macro_input!(input as DeriveInput);
-
-    let name = input.ident;
-    let name_s = name.to_string();
-
-    let expanded = match input.data {
-        Data::Struct(data_struct) => {
-            let fields = data_struct.fields;
-
-            let arms = fields.iter().map(|field| {
-                let field_ident = field.clone().ident.unwrap();
-                let field_name = field_ident.to_string();
-
-                quote! { {
-                    let mut field_csvs: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = (&self.#field_ident as &dyn ToCsv).to_csv();
-                    for entry in &mut field_csvs {
-                        *entry = format!("{}.{}", #field_name, &entry);
-                    }
-                    values.extend(field_csvs);
-                } }
-            });
-
-            let arms_enum = fields.iter().map(|field| {
-                let field_ident = field.clone().ident.unwrap();
-                let field_name = field_ident.to_string();
-
-                quote! { {
-                    let mut field_csvs: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = (&self.#field_ident as &dyn ToCsv).enumerate();
-                    
-                    for entry in &mut field_csvs {
-                        *entry = format!("{}.{}", #field_name, &entry);
-                    }
-                    values.extend(field_csvs);
-                } }
-            });
-
-            quote! {
-                impl ToCsv for #name {
-                    fn to_csv(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> {
-                        extern crate alloc;
-                        use alloc::format;
-
-                        let mut values:alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
-                        #(#arms)*
-                        return values;
-                    }
-
-                    fn enumerate(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> {
-                        extern crate alloc;
-                        use alloc::format;
-                        let mut values:alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
-                        #(#arms_enum)*
-                        return values;
-    
-                    }
-                }
-            }
-        }
-        Data::Enum(data_enum) => {
-            let variants = data_enum.variants;
-            let arms = variants.iter().map(|variant| {
-                let variant_name = &variant.ident;
-                let variant_name_s = variant_name.to_string();
-
-                match &variant.fields {
-                    Fields::Unit => {
-                        quote! { Self::#variant_name => values.push(format!(" = {}::{}", #name_s, #variant_name_s)), }
-                        // quote! { Self::#variant_name => {}, }
-                    }
-                    Fields::Unnamed(_) => {
-                        quote! {Self::#variant_name(l) => {
-                            let mut field_csvs: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = (l as &dyn ToCsv).to_csv();
-                            for entry in &mut field_csvs {
-                                *entry = format!("{}.{}", #variant_name_s, &entry);
-                            }
-                            values.extend(field_csvs);
-                        },}
-                    }
-                    Fields::Named(_) => {
-                        panic!("Named fields not supported by ToCsv");
-                    }
-                }
-            });
-
-            let arms_enum = variants.iter().map(|variant| {
-                let variant_name = &variant.ident;
-                let variant_name_s = variant_name.to_string();
-
-                match &variant.fields {
-                    Fields::Unit => {
-                        quote! { values.push(format!(" = {}::{}", #name_s, #variant_name_s)); }
-                    }
-                    Fields::Unnamed(var) => {
-                        let var_type = 
-                        if let Some(first_field) = var.unnamed.first() {
-                            first_field
-                        } else {
-                            panic!("Struct has no fields!");
-                        };
-                        quote! {              
-                                {
-                                    let l = #var_type::default();
-                                    let mut field_csvs: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = (&l as &dyn ToCsv).enumerate();
-                                    
-                                    for entry in &mut field_csvs {
-                                        *entry = format!("{}.{}", #variant_name_s, &entry);
-                                    }
-                                    values.extend(field_csvs);
-                                }
-                            }              
-    
-                    }
-                    Fields::Named(_) => {
-                        panic!("Named fields not supported by ToCsv");
-                    }
-                }
-            });
-
-            quote! {
-                impl ToCsv for #name {
-                    fn to_csv(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> {
-                        extern crate alloc;
-                        use alloc::format;
-                        let mut values: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
-
-                        match self {
-                            #(#arms)*
-                        }
-                        return values;
-                    }
-
-                    fn enumerate(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> {
-                        extern crate alloc;
-                        use alloc::format;
-                       
-                        let mut values:alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
-                        #(#arms_enum)*
-                        return values;
-
-                    }
-                }
-            }
-        }
-        Data::Union(_data_union) => {
-            return syn::Error::new_spanned(name, "ToCsv not implemented for unions")
-                .to_compile_error()
-                .into();
-        }
-    };
-
-    TokenStream::from(expanded)
-}
-
 
 #[proc_macro_derive(Reflect)]
 pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
@@ -275,52 +120,38 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
                 let field_name = field_ident.to_string();
 
                 quote! { {
-                    fields.push((#field_name, &mut self.#field_ident as &mut dyn Reflect));
-                } }
-            });
-
-            let arms_enum = fields.iter().map(|field| {
-                let field_ident = field.clone().ident.unwrap();
-                let field_name = field_ident.to_string();
-
-                quote! { {
-                    let mut field_csvs: alloc::vec::Vec<alloc::string::String> = (&self.#field_ident as &dyn ToCsv).enumerate();
-                    
-                    for entry in &mut field_csvs {
-                        *entry = format!("{}.{}", #field_name, &entry);
-                    }
-                    values.extend(field_csvs);
+                    fields.push((#field_name, &mut self.#field_ident as &mut dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect));
                 } }
             });
 
             quote! {
-                impl Reflect for #name {
-                    fn reflect_type(&self) -> ReflectType {
-                        ReflectType::Structure
+                impl rfe::reflect::Reflect for #name {
+                    fn reflect_type(&self) -> rfe::reflect::ReflectType {
+                        rfe::reflect::ReflectType::Structure
                     }
                 
                     fn type_name(&self) -> &str {
                         #name_s
                     }
                 
-                    fn fields(&mut self) -> Vec<(&str, &mut dyn Reflect)> {
-                        let mut fields = Vec::new();
+                    fn fields(&mut self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<(&str, &mut dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect)> {
+                        let mut fields = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
                         #(#field_arms)*
                         fields
                     }
                 
-                    fn set_value(&mut self, value: ReflectValue) {
+                    fn set_value(&mut self, value: rfe::reflect::ReflectValue) {
                     }
                 
-                    fn get_value(&self) -> ReflectValue {
-                        ReflectValue::None
+                    fn get_value(&self) -> rfe::reflect::ReflectValue {
+                        rfe::reflect::ReflectValue::None
                     }
                 
-                    fn variants(&self) -> Vec<(&str, Box<dyn Reflect>)> {
-                        Vec::new()
+                    fn variants(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<(&str, alloc::boxed::Box<dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect>)> {
+                        alloc::vec::Vec::new()
                     }
 
-                    fn as_variant(&mut self, _i: usize) -> Option<&mut dyn Reflect> {
+                    fn as_variant(&mut self, _i: usize) -> Option<&mut dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect> {
                         None
                     }
                 }
@@ -329,13 +160,10 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
 
 
 
-
-
         Data::Enum(data_enum) => {
             let variants = data_enum.variants;
             let as_arms = variants.iter().enumerate().map(|(i, variant)| {
                 let variant_name = &variant.ident;
-                let variant_name_s = variant_name.to_string();
 
                 match &variant.fields {
                     Fields::Unit => {
@@ -345,7 +173,6 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
                                 return Some(self);
                             } 
                         }
-                        // quote! { Self::#variant_name => {}, }
                     }
                     Fields::Unnamed(_) => {
                         quote! {
@@ -358,7 +185,7 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
                         }
                     }
                     Fields::Named(_) => {
-                        panic!("Named fields not supported by ToCsv");
+                        panic!("Named fields not supported by Reflect");
                     }
                 }
             });
@@ -371,7 +198,7 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
                     Fields::Unit => {
                         quote! { 
                             {
-                                let value: Box<dyn Reflect> = Box::new(Self::#variant_name);
+                                let value: alloc::boxed::Box<dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect> = alloc::boxed::Box::new(Self::#variant_name);
                                 variants.push((#variant_name_s, value)); 
                             }
                          }
@@ -379,46 +206,46 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
                     Fields::Unnamed(_) => {
                         quote! {              
                                 {
-                                    let value: Box<dyn Reflect> = Box::new(Self::#variant_name(Default::default()));
+                                    let value: alloc::boxed::Box<dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect> = alloc::boxed::Box::new(Self::#variant_name(Default::default()));
                                     variants.push((#variant_name_s, value)); 
                                 }
                             }              
     
                     }
                     Fields::Named(_) => {
-                        panic!("Named fields not supported by ToCsv");
+                        panic!("Named fields not supported by Reflect");
                     }
                 }
             });
 
             quote! {
-                impl Reflect for #name {
-                    fn reflect_type(&self) -> ReflectType {
-                        ReflectType::Enumeration
+                impl rfe::reflect::Reflect for #name {
+                    fn reflect_type(&self) -> rfe::reflect::ReflectType {
+                        rfe::reflect::ReflectType::Enumeration
                     }
                 
                     fn type_name(&self) -> &str {
                         #name_s
                     }
                 
-                    fn fields(&mut self) -> Vec<(&str, &mut dyn Reflect)> {
-                        Vec::new()
+                    fn fields(&mut self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<(&str, &mut dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect)> {
+                        alloc::vec::Vec::new()
                     }
                 
-                    fn set_value(&mut self, value: ReflectValue) {
+                    fn set_value(&mut self, value: rfe::reflect::ReflectValue) {
                     }
                 
-                    fn get_value(&self) -> ReflectValue {
-                        ReflectValue::None
+                    fn get_value(&self) -> rfe::reflect::ReflectValue {
+                        rfe::reflect::ReflectValue::None
                     }
                 
-                    fn variants(&self) -> Vec<(&str, Box<dyn Reflect>)> {
-                        let mut variants = Vec::new();
+                    fn variants(&self) -> alloc::vec::Vec<(&str, alloc::boxed::Box<dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect>)> {
+                        let mut variants = alloc::vec::Vec::new();
                         #(#variant_arms)*
                         variants
                     }
 
-                    fn as_variant(&mut self, _i: usize) -> Option<&mut dyn Reflect> {
+                    fn as_variant(&mut self, _i: usize) -> Option<&mut dyn rfe::reflect::Reflect> {
                         #(#as_arms)*
                         panic!("variant incorrect");
                     }
@@ -426,7 +253,7 @@ pub fn reflect_derive(input: TokenStream) -> TokenStream {
             }
         }
         Data::Union(_data_union) => {
-            return syn::Error::new_spanned(name, "ToCsv not implemented for unions")
+            return syn::Error::new_spanned(name, "Reflect not implemented for unions")
                 .to_compile_error()
                 .into();
         }
diff --git a/rfe/src/lib.rs b/rfe/src/lib.rs
index 0183077..93e0546 100644
--- a/rfe/src/lib.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/lib.rs
@@ -10,6 +10,7 @@ pub mod msg;
 mod rfe;
 pub use rfe::*;
 
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
 pub mod reflect;
 
 pub use macros;
diff --git a/rfe/src/msg/ds.rs b/rfe/src/msg/ds.rs
index 87019f4..359393b 100644
--- a/rfe/src/msg/ds.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/msg/ds.rs
@@ -5,11 +5,12 @@ use alloc::string::String;
 use alloc::vec::Vec;
 
 use super::{TlmSetId, TlmSetItem};
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct DsTlmSet {
     pub items: Vec<TlmSetItem>,
     pub id: TlmSetId,
@@ -18,14 +19,14 @@ pub struct DsTlmSet {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct DsHk {
     pub perf: PerfData,
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct DsOutData {
     pub counter: u32,
     pub bytes_written: u32,
@@ -33,7 +34,7 @@ pub struct DsOutData {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum DsCmd {
     #[default]
     Noop,
diff --git a/rfe/src/msg/example.rs b/rfe/src/msg/example.rs
index 45ac495..af6dde5 100644
--- a/rfe/src/msg/example.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/msg/example.rs
@@ -1,23 +1,25 @@
 extern crate alloc;
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 use crate::utils::PerfData;
 use bincode::{Decode, Encode};
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
+
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ExampleHk {
     pub perf: PerfData,
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ExampleOutData {
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum ExampleCmd {
     #[default]
     Noop,
diff --git a/rfe/src/msg/hs.rs b/rfe/src/msg/hs.rs
index 403333d..0a7925c 100644
--- a/rfe/src/msg/hs.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/msg/hs.rs
@@ -2,12 +2,13 @@ use crate::utils::PerfData;
 use bincode::{Decode, Encode};
 
 extern crate alloc;
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 use alloc::vec::Vec;
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct HsHk {
     pub perf: PerfData,
     pub counter: u32,
@@ -22,13 +23,13 @@ pub struct HsHk {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct HsOutData {
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum HsCmd {
     #[default]
     Noop,
diff --git a/rfe/src/msg/mod.rs b/rfe/src/msg/mod.rs
index b208946..c627edc 100644
--- a/rfe/src/msg/mod.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/msg/mod.rs
@@ -14,12 +14,13 @@ pub use to::*;
 mod ds;
 pub use ds::*;
 
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 use crate::time::Timestamp;
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct TargetMsg {
     // instance is FROM for tlm, is TO for cmds
     pub instance: Instance,
@@ -33,7 +34,7 @@ impl TargetMsg {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum Instance {
     #[default]
     None,
@@ -44,7 +45,7 @@ pub enum Instance {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Kind, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum Msg {
     #[default]
     None,
@@ -67,7 +68,7 @@ pub enum Msg {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct MsgPacket {
     pub instance: Instance,
     pub msg: Msg,
@@ -93,13 +94,13 @@ impl MsgPacket {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct SubList {
     pub subs: Vec<TargetMsg>,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ReinitAppCmd {
     app_name: String,
 }
@@ -107,7 +108,7 @@ pub struct ReinitAppCmd {
 pub type TlmSetId = u16;
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct TlmSetItem {
     pub target: TargetMsg,
     pub decimation: u16,
diff --git a/rfe/src/msg/to.rs b/rfe/src/msg/to.rs
index 7c1b509..1de42c1 100644
--- a/rfe/src/msg/to.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/msg/to.rs
@@ -1,14 +1,15 @@
 use crate::utils::PerfData;
 use bincode::{Decode, Encode};
 extern crate alloc;
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 use alloc::vec::Vec;
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
 
 use super::{TlmSetId, TlmSetItem};
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ToTlmSet {
     pub items: Vec<TlmSetItem>,
     pub id: TlmSetId,
@@ -16,20 +17,20 @@ pub struct ToTlmSet {
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ToHk {
     pub perf: PerfData,
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, Copy, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub struct ToOutData {
     pub counter: u32,
 }
 
 #[derive(Debug, Default, Clone, PartialEq, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 pub enum ToCmd {
     #[default]
     Noop,
diff --git a/rfe/src/reflect.rs b/rfe/src/reflect.rs
index f06d192..b5cad30 100644
--- a/rfe/src/reflect.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/reflect.rs
@@ -96,6 +96,8 @@ impl ReflectValue {
             ReflectValue::Bool(b) => *b,
         }
     }
+
+    pub fn vec(self) -> Vec<ReflectValue> {}
 }
 
 pub trait Reflect: std::fmt::Debug {
@@ -444,125 +446,32 @@ impl Reflect for bool {
     }
 }
 
-// impl ToCsv for bool {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         vec![format!(" = {}", self)]
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         vec![format!(" = bool")]
-//     }
-// }
+impl<T: Reflect> Reflect for Vec<T> {
+    fn reflect_type(&self) -> ReflectType {
+        ReflectType::Value
+    }
 
-// impl<T: ToCsv + Default> ToCsv for Vec<T> {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         self.iter()
-//             .enumerate()
-//             .map(|(i, x)| {
-//                 x.to_csv()
-//                     .iter()
-//                     .map(|a| format!("[{}].{}", i, a))
-//                     .collect::<Vec<String>>()
-//             })
-//             .flatten()
-//             .collect()
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         T::default()
-//             .enumerate()
-//             .iter()
-//             .map(|x| format!("[{}].{}", std::any::type_name::<T>(), x))
-//             .collect::<Vec<String>>()
-//     }
-// }
+    fn type_name(&self) -> &str {
+        "vec[]"
+    }
 
-// impl<T: ToCsv + Default, const N: usize> ToCsv for [T; N] {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         self.iter()
-//             .enumerate()
-//             .map(|(i, x)| {
-//                 x.to_csv()
-//                     .iter()
-//                     .map(|a| format!("[{}].{}", i, a))
-//                     .collect::<Vec<String>>()
-//             })
-//             .flatten()
-//             .collect()
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         T::default()
-//             .enumerate()
-//             .iter()
-//             .map(|x| format!("[{}].{}", std::any::type_name::<T>(), x))
-//             .collect::<Vec<String>>()
-//     }
-// }
+    fn fields(&mut self) -> Vec<(&str, &mut dyn Reflect)> {
+        Vec::new()
+    }
 
-// impl<T1: ToCsv, T2: ToCsv> ToCsv for (T1, T2) {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         let mut csvs = Vec::new();
-//         csvs.extend(self.0.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[0].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.1.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[1].{}", x)));
-//         csvs
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         vec![format!(
-//             " = ({}, {})",
-//             std::any::type_name::<T1>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T2>()
-//         )]
-//     }
-// }
+    fn set_value(&mut self, value: ReflectValue) {
+        *self = value.vec();
+    }
 
-// impl<T1: ToCsv, T2: ToCsv, T3: ToCsv> ToCsv for (T1, T2, T3) {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         let mut csvs = Vec::new();
-//         csvs.extend(self.0.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[0].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.1.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[1].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.2.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[2].{}", x)));
-//         csvs
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         vec![format!(
-//             " = ({}, {}, {})",
-//             std::any::type_name::<T1>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T2>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T2>()
-//         )]
-//     }
-// }
+    fn get_value(&self) -> ReflectValue {
+        ReflectValue::Bool(*self)
+    }
 
-// impl<T1: ToCsv, T2: ToCsv, T3: ToCsv, T4: ToCsv> ToCsv for (T1, T2, T3, T4) {
-//     fn to_csv(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         let mut csvs = Vec::new();
-//         csvs.extend(self.0.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[0].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.1.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[1].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.2.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[2].{}", x)));
-//         csvs.extend(self.3.to_csv().iter().map(|x| format!("[3].{}", x)));
-//         csvs
-//     }
-//     fn enumerate(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         vec![format!(
-//             " = ({}, {}, {}, {})",
-//             std::any::type_name::<T1>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T2>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T2>(),
-//             std::any::type_name::<T3>()
-//         )]
-//     }
-// }
+    fn variants(&self) -> Vec<(&str, Box<dyn Reflect>)> {
+        Vec::new()
+    }
 
-// impl<T: ToCsv> ToCsvClean for T {
-//     fn to_csv_clean(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         self.to_csv().iter().map(|x| to_csv_clean(x)).collect()
-//     }
-
-//     fn enumerate_clean(&self) -> Vec<String> {
-//         self.enumerate().iter().map(|x| to_csv_clean(x)).collect()
-//     }
-// }
-
-// fn to_csv_clean(s: &String) -> String {
-//     let s = s.replace(".[", "[");
-//     let s = s.replace(". =", " =");
-//     s
-// }
+    fn as_variant(&mut self, _i: usize) -> Option<&mut dyn Reflect> {
+        None
+    }
+}
diff --git a/rfe/src/utils.rs b/rfe/src/utils.rs
index 817b0c3..ddd88ca 100644
--- a/rfe/src/utils.rs
+++ b/rfe/src/utils.rs
@@ -4,11 +4,12 @@ use bincode::{Decode, Encode};
 
 extern crate alloc;
 
-#[cfg(feature = "serde")]
-use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
+use crate as rfe;
+#[cfg(feature = "reflect")]
+use crate::macros::Reflect;
 
 #[derive(Debug, Clone, Copy, Default, PartialEq, Eq, Hash, Encode, Decode)]
-#[cfg_attr(feature = "serde", derive(Serialize, Deserialize))]
+#[cfg_attr(feature = "reflect", derive(Reflect))]
 
 pub struct PerfData {
     enter_time: Timestamp,
diff --git a/tools/decom/Cargo.toml b/tools/decom/Cargo.toml
index 9f4bb07..fc628ba 100644
--- a/tools/decom/Cargo.toml
+++ b/tools/decom/Cargo.toml
@@ -11,5 +11,5 @@ path = "src/decom.rs"
 anyhow.workspace = true
 log.workspace = true
 simple_logger.workspace = true
-rfe = { path = "../../rfe", features = [] }
+rfe = { path = "../../rfe", features = ["reflect"] }
 bincode = { workspace = true, features = ["std"] }